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IGNACY KRASICKI

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ROZMOWA I

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ROZMOWA III

0,ĉ'=<%2/(6à$:(0&+52%5<0$.$=,0,(5=(0:,(/.,0

.5Ï/$0,32/6.,0,

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ROZMOWA IV

0,ĉ'=<'(0267(1(6(0$&<&(521(0

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ROZMOWA VIII

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ROZMOWA IX

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ROZMOWA X

0,ĉ'=<.$/,67(1(0),/2=2)(0$68à7$1(0%$-$=<7(0

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ROZMOWA XI

0,ĉ'=<$5<672)$1(0,02/,(5(¶(0

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Moliere:$OHJG\SRZV]HFKQHGREUREH]V]F]HJyOQHJR]áHJRREHMĞüVLĊPRĪHXVWD-

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Moliere:=ĨOHQDERĪQ\FKĞPLDáHPVLĊDWDF\VąEH]ERĪQ\PLLOXERPLDáHPZWHM

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ROZMOWA XII

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Kamili:6DPWZyMSU]\GRPHNR]QDF]DF]XáąZG]LĊF]QRĞüRMF]\]Q\WZRMHMJG\FLJR

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ROZMOWA XIII

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ROZMOWA XIV

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PLHZDáHPF]DVHPSLĊWQDĞFLHRGVWD

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Krassus:$W\NWRMHVWHĞ"

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Krates:0RMDILOR]RILDNDĪHJDUG]LüZ\JRGą

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Krates:&KRüE\ĞLZLHG]LDáMXĪWDPQLHGRMG]LHV]:VWDQLHZNWyU\PMHVWHĞP\

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ROZMOWA XV

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